1 In 5 Million: A Member Attends Day 1 Of The NRA Board Meetings

Yesterday, Save The Second Board Member Rob Pincus attended the NRA Board Meeting… for about 15 minutes. Unfortunately, he was the only 1 of 5 Million NRA Members that showed up to try to learn the truth about what was going on inside the NRA Board and to lobby for Reform inside the troubled organization. Ostensibly, the NRA Board Meetings, including the committee meetings that occur the days before the main events, are open to The Members. In practice, the NRA does not encourage Members to participate, nor do they make it easy.

According to his social media post, Rob’s day at the Board Meetings started off like this:

“To be honest, I would’ve preferred “Member” or “Voting Member” or “Life Member” over just “visitor”.

And, in case you are wondering what the Blue Dot is for…. it apparently might mean: “Have two big security guys come over less than a minute after check in and tell that guy that he has to leave.”

After checking in at the security desk around 12:30pm, Rob was removed from the meeting area…. not a meeting room, not from trying to steal a free lunch with the Directors… from the entire meeting area at the hotel. He was at first told that he could not come back until Saturday Morning for the main Board Meeting. After challenging that he believed that Members were allowed to attend Committee Meetings, security relented and said he could return at 1:30 on the afternoon, but would not provide any details about what committees were meeting or in which specific rooms.

Rob returned to the meeting area at 1:30pm, the scheduled time for the Legal Affairs Committee. He was greeted by the same security supervisor that escorted him out of the area less than an hour before. He was told specifically where to sit in the room… and a security guard at next to him. Rob also noticed a newly printed sign was placed at the door as he arrived that said “No Photography”.

The meeting was called to order and began as one might expect. There was a roll call of Committee Members, of which most were in attendance. There were introductions of non-Board Members that were present because of their roll on the committee or at the Institute for Legislative Action. In total, there were about 40 Board Members (of 76) present. As it turns out, the NRA Board has decided to hold very few committee meetings this year and this was the only one being held in the afternoon. The meeting started with an update from the new head of the ILA Jason Ouimet . He talked about the Republican Party wins in North Carolina. He talked about the House of Representatives moving forward with efforts in regard to a Magazine Ban, Semi-Auto Ban and National Red Flag Law. Specifically, he referred to the latter being “a bad red flag law, with no due process.” He informed those in attendance that they could reference the packet of information they were provided with for more information. As you might have guessed, no packets were available for Members and Rob Pincus was told that he couldn’t have one when he asked for a copy.

Ouimet introduced the already controversial new General Counsel for the ILA, Wade Callendar. He assured the attendees that one of the key strengths of that choice was his ability to testify to the concept that violent first person shooter video games were contributing to the problem of violence in the US, as the NRA has often asserted.

Ouimet celebrated the appointment of over 150 new judges at the Federal Level by President Trump and talked about some specific activities in various States including KY, VA, MS, NJ, LA. He praised NH Gov. Sununu for vetoing recent gun control laws passed by their legislature. He lamented the gun control calls from the Lt. Gov. of Texas.

After his own updates, he invited the subcommittee chairpersons to provide updates. Scott Bach (State Issues) talked about trying to stop certain States from taking actions that would cross State borders in efforts to spread gun control. Graham Hill arrived a little late to the committee meeting because had actually been working on behalf of American Gun Owners on Capitol Hill. He didn’t have much to say about his subcommittee, which is apparently related to Congressional Activities. Todd Rathner heads the subcommittee on International Affairs and he said that they hadn’t yet met, but assured the attendees that International Issues are “complex and arcane, but important”.

At that point, Ouimet invited questions from the Board Members… but, the Old Guard wasn’t going to let that happen without taking the opportunity to suggest that the meeting be taken into Executive Session. The Chairman asked if there were any objections. Not a single Board Member raised their hand. Despite the rampant calls for transparency… even from several Board Members in attendance, no one spoke up to protect the interests of The Members. The next step was announcing that everyone who was not a Member of the NRA Board of Directors needed to leave. That was about 6 people… all but one invited participants including non-board member committee members and Chuck Michel, head of the NRA Affiliated California Rifle & Pistol Association. Only one person…. 1 out of 5 Million Eligible Members… that was there to represent concerned American Gun Owners interested in NRA Reform had to leave the room.

Rob had this to say:

“The thing that is bothering me right now: NRA claims 5 million Members. Members are ostensibly allowed to attend these meetings. Social media is on fire in regard to the crisis at the organization.

There was only one committee meeting this afternoon, one of the most important ones, the Legal Affairs Committee.
There were less than 10 empty chairs in the room and I was basically given a personal security escort. The NRA wasn’t prepared for Members to attend, nor did they appear to want Members to attend.

After the meeting went into Executive Session, I went to the Secretary’s Office adjacent to the meeting room to request a schedule of the meetings scheduled for the next day and, as the staffer was writing them down for me, Security showed up and told me I needed to leave. Rudely. They would not even let the staffer provide me with the information. At that point, NRA Director Robert Brown came over to see what was going on and Security insisted that I leave the entire meeting area forcing the Director to walk out into the hallway to finish his conversation with me. Security was smug and increasingly aggressive as the short moment went on.”

Today, the committee meetings are continuing with the very important Finance Committee meeting at 9am. Rob Pincus will be returning. Hopefully, he won’t be the only concerned member there.

If you are a concerned NRA Member, you should be there too. Certainly, we need as many NRA Members as possible to be at the main Board Meeting on Saturday the 14th at the Washington Dulles Airport Hilton in Herndon, VA. The security check in table will open at 7:30 AM. All you need is your NRA Membership Number and a photo ID. Let the NRA Directors know that you care.

We have also called for a gathering of American Gun Owners this evening to attempt to discuss the issues facing the NRA and to engage with the many Directors at the venue. STS Board Member Andy Lander was able to join Rob at the venue last night and they did have many great conversations with several Directors.

Save the Second will continue to push for Reform at the NRA and represent the voices of concerned American Gun Owners, but we need more NRA Members to join this fight!

Real Answers To Direct Questions: Behind The Scenes Of A CBS Evening News Q&A

STS Board Member Rob Pincus was interview for a CBS Evening News broadcast on August 6th, 2019.

The interview was conducted remotely from CBS News HQ with Pincus in an affiliate studio in Florida. Unfortunately, only a few seconds of the interview aired nationally.

The video linked contains the complete Q&A related to the problems currently facing the NRA and the concerns that many American Gun Owners have.

Many people have said that things will “get worse before they get better” in regard to the Crisis inside the NRA. We feel Strongly that the only way to get to the “better” part is by speaking openly and directly about the worst parts of the crisis. Without acknowledging the very real problems, we will not be able to advance the solutions to reform the NRA.


Save the Second was formed to represent the voice of former, current and potential future NRA Members who are concerned about the problems currently facing the organization. We believe these problems were caused by its leadership and a failure of the Board of Directors to properly oversee the organization. Save The Second is in the final week of a Petition Campaign to require Mandatory Attendance for Directors at Board Meetings so that they might be more involved in the business of the NRA and be more accountable to the Members. 

If you are a Voting Member, please download and sign the form HERE: http://www.savethe2a.org/petitions/ … and SHARE this video!

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STS Board Member Rob Pincus joined John Patton on The Gun Collective last week to discuss why Reforming the NRA is important and what our Five Points of Reform are all about. 


Mark Walters invited STS Board Member Rob Pincus onto his daily radio show a few weeks ago to discuss our Five Points of Reform and why reform is needed at the National Rifle Association in General. You can now listen to the entire discussion (40+ Minutes!) through Mark’s Youtube Channel.


Save the Second board member, Rob Pincus, was subpoenaed to appear on June 28th, before legal representation of the NRA – both staff lawyers and Brewer and Associate Representatives. Ackerman McQueen were represented by their attorneys via video teleconference. The subpoena was part of the NRA’s case against Ackerman McQueen, and Rob’s subpoena centered on how he came into possession of what The NRA has deemed “leaked” Insider information, before they were made public, regarding several practices by and allegations toward the NRA.  

Rob was cautioned by several colleagues and mentors that it would be foolish – at best -for him to appear without legal representation, but after looking over all of the documents that he was aware and a part of and all of his actions from the time of the 2019 NRA Annual Meeting through today (actually, since the early 2000s, when he began a period as a vendor for the Association, providing training videos), he felt that all he had to do was show up and tell the truth. It would be apparent and obvious that he was neither a source of the leak nor had he come into possession of any documents or information through any nefarious or illegal process on his part. The deposition was held in Colorado. A New Jersey native (more on THAT in a bit), Rob is a resident of Florida, but he maintains a residence in Colorado. He was in Colorado on the requested date due to obligations to the County that week as part of his service as a Reserve Deputy. 

Once the proceedings began and Rob was sworn in, he was asked how he had learned of the subpoena. Rob replied, “Via a text message from my mom.” Once the laughter had subsided and the question, asked again received the same answer, Rob said that the subpoena had been sent to his current NRA address, explaining, “It was the address my NRA Membership is attached to… I’ve never bothered to update it.” He then was asked to sign a waiver of proper serving of that subpoena, which he chose not to sign. He did however say that he was aware of the subpoena, and he showed up not through coercion of a court but because of his sense of wanting to do what was right.  

Let’s take a moment here…at this point, Rob could have legally and in good conscience called EndEx, and walked out. He was under NO obligation, legal or contractual, to remain. He CHOSE to continue, confident that the truth would be revealed and the insanity of this part of the witch hunt being conducted by the NRA and Brewer’s agency would, like most, be proven pointless. Also, let’s look at the logistics here and what the NRA was paying for: rental of the building; travel for NRA staff and Brewer’s Virginia representation (interesting that the Brewer Agency, a legal vendor of the Association, cannot practice in Virginia, the Association’s physical home); secure, bonded video conferencing legal specialists; a second audio and video recording vendor sent in from Durango for redundancy of documentation; and a court reporter who travelled five hours to serve as stenographer. As the proceeding went on for 5 (five) <FIVE!!!> hours, it would be fair to estimate that all told this cost the Association – NOT any one individual affected by the “leaked documents” – between $10,000 – $20,000. Keep that in mind…

Five hours (including Rob’s uncompensated time) and untold dollars resulted in this: Rob presented all documents that he was aware of and part regarding the information in question and answered every question regarding how and when he had found that information. It was clearly evident that, first, as a non-NRA staff or current NRA contracted vendor, he neither had access to any of the information nor was he bound in any way to not disseminate any information that he was given or discovered. Also, as he was initially informed of the information by someone, like him was not current NRA staff or any former staff or vendor bound by a nondisclosure agreement or any other legal device, he in no way felt that the information was nothing more and nothing less than the truth, though troubling to the NRA’s current leadership. 

Whatever reason the NRA’s legal counsel had for and were authorized by NRA’s leadership the conduct of this deposition, one can only guess. Did they think that the threat of a crack legal agency like Brewer’s – you know, the ones that sent the deposition to his Mother’s house – would be enough to silence this Bloomberg shill malcontent? Did they think that the deposed would prove himself part of a vast conspiracy to bring down the NRA from within, in spite of the sterling efforts and spotless reputation of faithful service and fiscal responsibility of Lapierre and the Original Gangsters that this information was so harmful toward? Or, was it another example of the fiscal malfeasance so rampant in the current NRA’s spending their Members’ dues and donations, not their own money. But, one can’t help but be reminded of the Democratic National Committee near the end of the 2016 Presidential campaign. Wikileaks unveiled a series of damning information: the systematic shutdown of support to the Saunders’ campaign and the providing of debate questions to Clinton beforehand to name a few. None of the information was discredited nor shown to be “fake news”. The DNC took the line of “how dare WikiLeaks expose this information so close to the election” rather than defending themselves against these apparent truths.

Remember how we laughed at and scorned the DNC for this? Do ya….

Rob Pincus

Calling All American Gun Owners

“We’re trying to get the attention of all American Gun Owners focused on the fact that it’s okay to have an open discussion about some of the concerns and, honestly, some of the problems that exist inside of the NRA.”  

– Rob Pincus, Save The Second

It is imperative that our community not be fear-mongered into silence. We cannot be afraid of the truth. It has become apparent that there are serious problems inside the NRA right now… and they’ve been there for a long time. Whistle-Blowers, Leaked Documents and Investigative Reporting have been revealing facts about cronyism, financial malfeasance and potential ethical issues amongst the board members and officers. The devolution of the long-time relationship between the NRA and Ackerman-McQueen has resulted in at least two law suits and the probably dissolution of “NRATV”, a project that the NRA invested millions of dollars in over the past few years and, arguably, the largest and most important source of NRA Messaging to non-members.  Those in favor of the status-quo would have us believe that we shouldn’t be asking questions. Those in favor of the status-quo are sending out messages that everything is fine. Those in favor of the status-quo claim that anyone asking for answers is working with the Anti-Gun Lobby. Seriously?! 

There are many concerned American Gun Owners speaking up… Join them in expressing your concerns to the current NRA Leadership! You can contribute by taking our polls, volunteering, donating, posting on our Save the Second Facebook Page, or just reaching out to us here on our website. We also invite you to please join our email list.

We must not be afraid of the truth, not matter how damaging it might be in the short term. Covering it up or ignoring it will only make it worse. As STS Board Member Rob Pincus said to the assembled voting members in Indianapolis,  we need to ask these questions, get the answers and then “…deal with the fallout from that honestly and openly, so that we can get on with the business of defending our Second Amendment Rights…”

Why the Concern?

Why are we concerned? Why don’t we trust the Board of Directors to solve the problems facing the National Rifle Association?

Listen to this long time board member’s thoughts on control, secrecy and whether or not we members should be involved. John Cushman was personally endorsed by the leadership of the NRA during many campaigns over the past several years. He was specifically chosen to run against outside Adam Kraut in the 2017 and 2018 Elections for the 76th Seat on the Board. His comments were echoed by many other members of the NRA “Old Guard” during the Members Meeting, including at least two past Presidents (Hammer and Porter).

If that wasn’t bad enough, here are Past President Marion Hammer’s thoughts: 

We believe that the NRA has gone too long without respect for the Members. We do not have faith in the current leadership to fix the problem. What do you think?

-Rob Pincus